Smith & Wesson immediately paid for the pistols return. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt vs Smith and Wesson (Page 1 of 2) ARCHIVED; General » General Discussion. The Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport II rifle typically retails for under $800, and the addition of an optic or sights can quickly create a rifle tailored to the user’s needs. Before AR vs. AK, 870 vs. 500, or even Mauser vs. Lee Enfield — there was Colt vs. Smith & Wesson. The 686 first debuted in the 1980’s alongside the Model 581, 586 and 681.Since then, th… That whole barcode thing is rather kind of unfortunate but that wouldn't stop me from getting one if I wanted one. The finish on the New Python is good, some minor scratches easily removed by polishing. Both companies offer good warranties, however, and both of these odd revolvers perform basically the same way. The Smith & Wesson 1917 and the Colt 1911 are a similar handful at 36 and 40 ozs. I say buy the m and p sport, (ive put 1,000 through it, no hiccups) and then get your feet wet with buying the upper and building a lower. Never got any cylinder lock ups in single and double action. And, in my opinion, they … Just look at what they charge for a lower parts kit on brownells.That makes me distrusting towards them and the price they ask for their complete rifles. I bought it less than a year ago and am a shooter not a collector. It is recognizable at levels that companies like Bravo Company and Sons of Liberty can only imagine. Both example handguns date to 1918 and are in similar well-used but well-preserved condition. OP, people are going to prefer what they own, and get defensive when someone says something else is better. Colt uses a heavy H buffer and gold colored high tension flat spring to increase reliability. I believe the Colt would be more reliable, but is unlikely to make a difference if the primary use will be for the range. OP, my very first rifle is an m and p sport 2. About AR15.COM. 2. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? He is one of the best. The 686 is stainless. Even if the Colt is better, the difference is negligible and you'll never notice it. Fact is Smith & Wesson Model 3 American and Schofield pistols rivaled the popular Colt SAA revolver. I am hoping the issues are isolated and I have had any yet. Press J to jump to the feed. The five-shot .38 J Frame is among the revolvers that put Smith and Wesson … You need both. Smith and Wesson 586 (blued 686) and 2020 Colt Python. as a 3rd option you might want to consider this: material and build quality probably close to on par with the colt, and you get to pick the furniture you want. I just got it 6 months ago. The only thing I dislike about the new python is the QR code (better looking than the Hillary hole) and how thin the grips are. With Adam Jonas Segaller, Philip Guerette, John Byrne, Don Meehan. Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles Dedicated to the Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Rifles Thread Tools: Display Modes #1 12-09-2011, 06:22 PM 117. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Smith and Wesson 586 (blued 686) and 2020 Colt Python. Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Just bought my Sport II and it has been a blast. https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/5wostr/colt_m4_vs_sw_mp15_sport_ii/, I asked the same question the other day, link in case you want to see the comments I received:). See Also: Shoot-out: Colt Python vs. Smith & Wesson 686. Have you shot the colt yet? The trigger is miles above the 586 and is the most smooth trigger on any double action revolver I have ever shot. AR-15 AK-47 Handgun Precision Rifles Armory Training Competitive Shooting General Outdoors Archery Hometown Industry. Single action was excellent as well. Smith & Wesson 686 One of the most popular revolvers in production, the Smith & Wesson 686 revolver is a medium (“L frame”) revolver chambered in the powerful .357 Magnum caliber. S&W Joins The Fray. Agreed. I am stunned that no one has recommended this yet. Otherwise, they both feature 6″ barrels and full-sized frames. Save yourself some change and tailor the gun to your liking with the extra cash or put it towards ammunition. You can buy a complete double heat shield handguard and M4 stock set plus trigger guard for $30. plus it gives you 357 mag capability. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Question is, do I spend the extra ~$300 for the Colt or do I get the Sport II and put the $300 towards optics? Both manufacturers immediately responded with variants of their large frame revolvers chambered for the British service .455 cartridge; Smith&Wesson with a version of the .44 caliber frame Hand Ejector and Colt It was commissioned as a gift for Richard Grob, the Director of Security and Operations for Elvis Presley Enterprises. The Sport II has a nitride coated 4140 steel 1/9 twist barrel that is batch tested. The Colt has a 4150 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel that is individually hp and mpi tested. I have shot 100 rounds of 357 and 38 specials and fired snap Caps 50 times. The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. I have a S&W comp'ed 41, an old Colt Woodsman Target with the full blown target grips, a 1950's High Standard Military Target model and a 1960's High Standard Citation Trophy target pistols. November 14, 2016 ODU Admin Handguns Comments Off on Colt vs. Smith & Wesson on Revolvers. As is, they’re visually distinct. The .32 Colt, .32 Smith and Wesson, .38 Colt and .38 Smith and Wesson were among these. Buy the S&W and put and Aimpoint Pro on it now...or buy the Colt and shoot it with irons (which will be good for you) and put optics on it in a few months. Sam Colt invented the revolver as we know it, offering the first one for sale in 1836. The Colt D-frame is a bit stronger as the bolt locks up between the cylinders as opposed the the S&W's being directly over the cylinder (this is the weakest part of any chamber) AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. it has a sleeved barrel design and crane lock-up rather than using the extractor plunger. Have you considered building one? Sport II uses a milspec diameter 6061 aluminum buffer tube. Smith & Wesson is a household name. I measured the cylinder widths of a J-frame and a K-frame Smith and Wesson revolver to compare with the King Cobra and found it is right in the middle of the other two, being .1” wider than the J-frame and .05” narrower than the K-frame. I doubt Colt ever had more than a few police contracts, whereas S&W had, not only most cities and states, but also FBI and other feds. Btw how much is the Sport II? You can find them for under $500 most days and then you have money left over. The Colt feels better in my hand, but the M-41 is theoretically more accurate because the sights don't move with the slide. It really comes down to which feels better against your shoulder, which looks the best to you, and which one you want to have 10 years from now (you said you are only going to have one rifle for the foreseeable future). The K-32 was built on Smith & Wesson’s medium frame, which we now know as the K-frame. You will end up with a much better rifle for the same amount of money. My thinking is that a nicer rifle won't make me that much better of a shooter, more range time will though. Here we look at some of the differences and just have some fun with both. Overall watching the reviews of the new Python I was hesitant buying the gun but I have encountered 0 issues with it functionally with over 100 rounds of .357 magnums, .38 special, and dry firing with snap caps. If you will primarily be using 55gr, then 1x9 is better. In this instance, the L frame of the 686 denotes a medium-large frame, and is typical of modern, fullsize .357 Magnum offerings from Smith & Wesson. By the way, I would give Frank a 110% rating as an instructor. That happened during Frank Cornwall's class at the ASAA in CT. Colt then made a civilian version, which is why the AR-15 is often confused with a military weapon, but it is just a cosmetic veneer. I have two in the safe that have been in various build stages for almost a year. In fact. That's the way I'd go if I was you. I got the rifle, 3 extra mags and 750rds M193 for $750 total...the vortex strike eagle is coming soon!! I was at the same impass weeks ago and decided on the sport II. Here's hoping they get that ironed out quickly. i'm typically not a fan of current production S&W revolvers but this one is an exception. Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts Colt LE6920 vs S&W MP15. Smith & Wesson had to play catchup and is kind of still playing catchup when it comes to available variants. Smith & Wesson M&P Bodyguard 380 A fairly compelling argument could be made for including the M&P Shield on this list. The frame, cylinder release, sideplate, and crane arrangement are unmistakably S&W. Glad to hear that timing thing hasn't occurred to you. I like Colt. You won't have to go replacing things in six months. Mine has never failed, not in 1000's of rounds. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson on Revolvers. It doesn't appear in any feeds, and anyone with a direct link to it will see a message like this one. And if you have ever tried loading and reloading a Colt Single Action Army vs. a Smith & Wesson Model 3 American and Schofield, you know that it's hands down faster to load than the Colt SAA. It's ready to customize just like you need and is compatible with any parts out there. Kept the pistol facing down range as I ripped the glasses off my face too. Colt uses a … Posts: 148 Likes: 111. It does require a lot more research, but not only is that half the fun, it will give you a much better understanding of he platform. feels fantastic in the hand and shoots great. I also prefer mid length over carbine any day of the week. I have a few 357 DA revolvers already so as nice as it looks just not convinced I want another. I have a S&W mp15 TS. I am still looking for my Colt. I've found some material comparing the two, but most of what I find just says that the Colt is constructed with better material. The 686 is mostly a refinement of the S&W’s iconic revolver pedigree, established with their K/L frame revolvers. In that time, Colt produced more than 1.5 million revolvers. So I bought a 6920 couple years ago.... now I wish I had bought something cheaper (yet still milspec) and put the savings towards ammo, optics, and ramen. If you are going to replace the furniture over time, factor that into your decision. Maybe...but only by a small margin. The Sport II uses a regular carbine buffer. Member Join Date: Mar 2009. Sport II uses a milspec diameter 6061 aluminum buffer tube. Colt used to call revolvers in the Detective Special and Cobra class D-frames. Not sure what spec the Sport IIs bcg is. Don't know about the Colt, but with regards to the High Standard vs the 41, I think those bullseye shooters might get an argument from a couple shooters named Huelet "Joe" Benner and William McMillan, both Olympic gold medal winners using High Standard pistols.Benner won his gold medal in 1952 before the 41 came into existence, but went on to consult for High Standard. The Colt can be tuned even more, but it takes a more talented smith. The AR-style rifle is the most popular firearm in the country, with about 16 million Americans owning them. The Colt is a much better rifle. Location: TENNESSEE ! Directed by Paul Abascal. People will buy their crap regardless. It's the most complete out of the box for the same price as the Ruger. You can buy a new Colt LE6920 for right around $750 if you buy the OEM version and add your own furniture and sights. I've carried one for years and I have trusted my life to that brand. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. They've improved on the original Sport with a dust cover and forward assist. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. I don't have the type of income where I'll have multiple AR's in the future but would like to have one for fun on the range and some tactical stuff. The Colt has a 4150 1/7 twist chrome lined barrel that is individually hp and mpi tested. The Colt .32 Long is smaller in diameter than the .32 Smith and Wesson Long and will not interchange. I want to get an AR and am deciding between the 2. Do I think it's a better gun than the S&W? Shoots flawlessly. As mentioned earlier. I'd get the Sport and a good optic. 10) as opposed to gun shops where you sell one a week. Cast saves costs but anytime you cast you may or may not have air pockets that could crack so they tend to be not as strong as forged steel. Smith&Wesson was smarter in many ways than Colt, especially in the area of contracts, where you sell multiple guns, (witness the mdl. When revolvers ruled, the big argument was over Colt vs Smith & Wesson. While Smith & Wesson named this new cartridge the .32 S&W Long, Colt’s version was the .32 Colt New Police. To meet this demand, the British turned to the two foremost manufacturers of revolvers in the world, Colt and Smith&Wesson. A big change was the introduction of the Smith and Wesson Military and Police .38 revolver. Colt makes good stuff, but they also mark it up for the brand name. My next step is going to be to buy a nice full upper (sans bcg and charging handle) and attach it to my m & p sport 2 as I build out my own lower. I have heard about issues with QC with colt though I'm sure the same is said of S&W. Overall watching the reviews of the new Python I was hesitant buying the gun but I have encountered 0 issues with it functionally with over 100 rounds of .357 magnums, .38 special, and dry firing with snap caps. At this point in time, the companies were producing revolvers that in many ways were more similar than they differed. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. Even companies like Springfield Armory, FN, and IWI, major manufacturers that have massive recognition inside the … If they’d had the same finish and grips attached, I doubt many of us could pick them apart at any distance. I'm a real lucky guy. The hammer travel of the S&W is shorter and can be tuned very nicely. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. … The Sport II has a nitride coated 4140 steel 1/9 twist barrel that is batch tested. Which do you like best out of the two? My 586 had to be sent back for a broken part where the hammer wouldn't engage. It will be YOUR rifle, that you built with your own hands. Not only that, you'll get exactly what you want. Colt uses a 7075 aluminum milspec buffer tube. All are darn nice handguns and I would hate to sell any of them. As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. What's the quickest way to touch off an argument among diehard double-action revolver fans? I never once had the cylinder fail to turn. i have the 4.25" model but they're now offering a 2.75" as well. Colt uses milspec carpenter 158 steel for their bolts and they are all hp/mpi tested. The Colt has a more personal story. The old Python is blued. I also have a 1947 pre-17 Smith and an old Smith Outdoorsman. Since you are considering a Sport II, take a look the Ruger 556 or Midwest industry's offerings. Grob was a close friend to Presley and the two went shooting regularly. I'll take the 686. I feel like I made the right choice. overall it is a great gun, not worth the inflated gunbroker prices like all pythons but I wouldn't feel like I was missing out not owning another double action revolver. Plus it will feel more personal than if you had simply bought it. new production S&W 66 combat magnum. Also not sure if/how well S&W stakes their castle nuts and gas keys but I know for a fact Colt does a proper job and stakes the castle nut in 2 different spots and stakes the gas key deeply so it wont come loose. I love it. You don't have to fully accessorize your rifle in one day you know. In general the .32 and .38 Colt cartridges were smaller and would chamber in the Smith and Wesson chambers but the cartridge case often split on firing. The Smith & Wesson Sport II is the way I lean on these three. Are you going to continue to shoot the Python or will she eventually become a safe queen? It’s a toss up and the differences are minimal but Rugers are cast steel while S&W are forged steeel. The AR name stands for the original manufacturer of the rifle, ArmaLite, which eventually sold the rights to the AR-15 to Colt, which modified it and sold it to the U.S. military as the M16 automatic rifle. But they've been making them for a long time... and their bolts are supposed to be very good. It's very easy to do from online instructions, even with no experience, and it requires very few tools. Just as with the .38 Colt New Police, which was Colt’s answer to the .38 S&W, Colt’s version had a flatnose instead of the roundnose used by Smith & Wesson, giving it some advantage when it came to self … They don’t even have to do that. ".45 Colt (Long Colt, in the colloquial, rather than Automatic Colt Pistol or Short Colt--my answer assumes the .45 Long Colt revolver cartridge made famous by the 1873 Single Action Army revolver) does indeed have a bullet about .45" in diameter (about .452" to .454"). The older sport IIs didn't come with double heat shield hand guards, not sure if that changed. It does look good. Is that the main difference? I don't think the person who designed the new Python grips ever shot anything more than .38 special. That first Paterson was a five-shot, cap-and-ball revolver. I've gained immense knowledge since then after watching youtube videos and browsing this sub reddit daily. 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